A bad week for Goodyear

It’s not about science versus religion, it’s about good judgment

Last week, Minister of Science and Technology Gary Goodyear declined to answer, when asked by the Globe and Mail, whether he believed in evolution. In a subsequent interview on CTV, which alluded to his creationist beliefs, he clarified matters by stating, “Of course I do. But it is an irrelevant question…. I am a Christian, and I don’t think anybody asking a question about my religion is appropriate.”

Unfortunately, Goodyear then muddied things once more when he went on to explain what he understood by evolution. “We are evolving every year, every decade. That’s a fact, whether it is to the intensity of the sun, whether it is to, as a chiropractor, walking on cement versus anything else, whether it is running shoes, of course we are evolving to our environment.”

Oh dear. Rather than closing the issue, Goodyear’s statement merely served to provoke responses that were as predictable as they were inevitable.

On the one side are those critics who claim it is wrong, if not ludicrous, to have a man who either doubts or at least has little grasp of the cornerstone theory of modern science to be in charge of a ministry that assesses scientific projects and awards grants. Opposed are his defenders who argue an individual’s personal beliefs — religious or otherwise — are neither here nor there. As long as Goodyear does his job, that’s all that matters.

Both sides have a point, yet both also miss the point, to some extent. If we clear a way through all the knee-jerk rhetoric, there are at least three bigger questions at stake here.

First, should personal beliefs ever be an issue in politics? If so, at what stage in the political process should they come under public scrutiny? In one sense, an individual’s political values must inevitably reflect their deeper beliefs about the world, and so would appear to be fair game. For example, an individual’s private faith in, say, the existence of pixies or the Easter Bunny should obviously be taken into account when considering them fit for high office.

But wait. There’s a deeper philosophical point here. What if those beliefs are held but not publicly disclosed, as in the case of Mr. Goodyear before last week? Is it our awareness of those beliefs, rather than the beliefs themselves that matters here? If a minister appears to exercise his or her office with all due diligence, then what does it matter if they harbour a few offbeat ideas about the world?

After all, Goodyear was elected by the voters of Cambridge, Ontario in 2004. Surely it was at that point that any misgivings about his background should have come into play, not five years later. Or should the electorate have cast its vote on the proviso that Goodyear be allowed to hold only certain specified positions in government?

This leads to the second big question. What if a minister’s own beliefs are in conflict with the portfolio he holds? Critics who claim there’s an obvious conflict between Goodyear’s equivocal stand on evolution and his role as minister of science and technology too quickly personalize the function of government. After all, it’s safe to say that probably 90 per cent of all proposals that end up on Goodyear’s desk are beyond his own capacity to judge. True, he studied biomechanics and psychology at the University of Waterloo, but left without completing his degree.

However, it’s not really about Goodyear. No member of the Tory caucus, or even of the opposition ranks, has the training or skill to assess the merits of all scientific proposals. On any number of subjects, I would imagine that Goodyear’s own background, beliefs and interests render him incapable of passing meaningful judgment.

That’s where the third big question comes in. Critics and defenders of Goodyear alike appear to have misunderstood the nature and function of ministerial procedure in Canada. Or at least, they confuse the character of a particular minister with the department he heads. Few ministers are ever appointed on the basis of their own expertise in the field they represent, as is evident by the frequent turnover in appointment and portfolio shifting in any given administration.

Rather, it is the primary task of ministers to assemble experts and then draw on their expertise and advice when it comes to making decisions and then present those decisions to Parliament and the public. In this way, Goodyear’s own beliefs — whether in creationism or the man in the moon — are really beside the point.

That said, let’s not let Gary Goodyear off too lightly. After all, his own clarification — all that mumbo-jumbo about the intensity of the sun, walking on cement and changing year by year — betrays the fact that he has not the first clue about evolution. What he’s talking about, I would guess, is an individual’s adaptation to new circumstances or conditions; it’s got nothing to do with the process by which a species transforms across generations by the process of natural selection.

More than that, while Goodyear is obviously free to believe anything he wants — either as an individual or as a government minister — it is wrong for him (or anyone else) even to suggest a parity between creationist ideology and evolutionary science. The collection and eventual transcription of ancient Hebrew tales in the fifth century BC, their subsequent translation into Greek and then Latin and their final conversion into the stylized English of the early 1600s cannot, in any way, be equated with a rational or empirical account of how the universe, Earth and life itself came into existence.

That any individual in the 21st century still claims otherwise might indeed be grounds for questioning, not his specific ministerial appointment, but his judgment more generally.


Comments: 8

JosephU wrote:

Part of the article says:
"Gary Goodyear ... he has not the first clue about evolution."
And
the sub-title states:
"It’s not about science versus religion,
it’s about good judgment"

In order to make a "good judgment",
lets examine what Creation,
evolution, and science, tell us.
Creation tells us that
the various creatures were made:
"according to their kinds"

e.g.
Genesis 1:21
So God created the great creatures of the sea
and every living and moving thing
with which the water teems,
according to their kinds,
and every winged bird
according to its kind.
And God saw that it was good.
http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Genesis1;&version=31

Evolution teaches:
- man evolved from simple marine life, transformed over eons of time
from some form of bacteria into all the aquatic, land and air species
that have ever existed.
See:
What Does Molecules-to-Man Evolutionism Teach about Origins?
(What Does The Catholic Church Teach about Origins?)
http://www.kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm
Cutting-Edge Science
teaches us:

- The specific complexity of genetic information in the genome does not increase spontaneously. Therefore, there is no natural process whereby
reptiles can turn into birds, land mammals into whales, or chimpanzees into human beings.
See:
What Does Cutting-Edge Science Teach about Origins?
(What Does The Catholic Church Teach about Origins?)
http://www.kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm

The evidence shows:
bacteria produce bacteria,
fish produce fish,
finches produce finches, and
humans produce humans.

Variation within a kind ... YES.
Evolution from one kind to another kind ... NO.
See:
Natural Selection vs. Evolution
http://www.answersingenesis.org/articles/ee/natural-selection-vs-evolution


In order to make a "good judgment"
it is important examine all the evidence
...
even when the scientific evidence
is against evolution
and in support of creation.

on Mar 26th, 2009 at 4:17am Report Abuse

fang wrote:

JosephU:
I love how your understanding of Evolution and what it "teaches us" comes from an obviously biased source [1].

The stated goal of this source is to push the views of creationists - and as such I have a very hard time taking anything they say about evolution seriously. Biased viewpoint aside, they make obviously incorrect statements that renders their argument even more questionable. One example of the many incorrect statments in the list pseudo facts about evolution that are presented on that site is:

"Molecules-to-man evolutionary theory violates the second law of thermodynamics by positing spontaneous increases in order through random interactions of matter. "

This is one of the statements I've heard most often. It shows a blatant misunderstanding of the Second law of thermodynamics. It incorrectly assumes that the Earth is a closed system and cannot have energy introduced into it. (For instance, via the Sun). It also assumes that disorder and entropy are the same. They are not. [2][3]

As to your "variation within a kind" argument. It's simply addressed here - [5].

In general I find that [4] is a much better, more level view on the entire controversy (if there even is a controversy). Than anything I've seen on any of the religious sites.

The next time you want to pretend like you're actually analyzing the plethora of evidence out there, try doing at least one iota of research into the subject that _doesn't_ include biased religious sites designed to misinform. Then, check [3] to ensure that you're not blindly misrepresenting scientific points. Once you've passed that test, then I'll listen to you.

[1] - http://www.kolbecenter.org/church_teaches.htm
[2] - http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CF/CF001.html
[3] - http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/list.html#CF000
[4] - http://www.talkorigins.org/
[5] - http://www.talkorigins.org/indexcc/CB/CB901_1.html

on Mar 26th, 2009 at 9:01am Report Abuse

RoyBoy2019 wrote:

Good judgment involves reading a variety of good sources, and taking the opposing point of view seriously. Instead of misinterpreting it to make it look wrong.

Kinds eh? What about ring species? They are the same kind but the ends do not interbreed.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ring_species

If we look at Zebras and Horses, Tigers and Lions they can interbred if forced, but their offspring is unviable. So they are the same kind, but at the same time not really. This confirms microevolution results in macroevolution (speciation, not the preposterous "kindation" creationists want to see) over time. No one has shown a barrier of any kind exists between the two. Creationists merely assert, incorrectly, there is no/insufficient observational evidence for macroevolution. That's arguing a "lack" of evidence, rather than showing evidence to the contrary. The way they define it, kindation, certainly no evidence. Fortunately they are not in a position to actually define macroevolution for the rest of us. Besides, what kind is a platypus?

"Specified complexity" is an intelligent design (ID) term and has no scientific merit. The one paper they did manage to get published by Behe examining "biochemical systems", which was later retracted because it knowingly sidestepped the editorial process, actually supported evolution if a large enough population was used. If you had actually examined "all" the evidence you would know that.

Doing a find for 20,000 will take you to the area of interest:
http://www.toarchive.org/faqs/dover/day12am.html

In case someone wants to assert a conspiracy against ID, again, frankly there doesn't need to be one when proper research done by creationists supports evolution, rather than undermines it.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Kitzmiller_v._Dover_Area_School_District/4:Whether_ID_Is_Science#Page_88_of_139

And just to be perfectly clear, scientific evidence from Every other discipline concurs with evolution, be it chemistry, astronomy, geology, genetics, climatology, paleotology and so on. Without exception. Some specialities are indeed very distant from biology, so it isn't surprising a small number of scientists find it conflicts with their beliefs.

on Mar 26th, 2009 at 8:06pm Report Abuse

Amur wrote:

I think Bill Maher's comment on this kind of situation does a terrific job of reflecting my own thoughts and concerns:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IcUumWzue4&feature=related

"I can't trust you with the levers of government because there's an electrical fire going on in your head."

on Mar 28th, 2009 at 12:13am Report Abuse

LDHE wrote:

So the bible say that man is suppose to live on earth.

Therefore the gravity law does not exist . I recommend we challenge that one in our school.
Canada does not looks better when Science minister mix science and religion.

on Mar 28th, 2009 at 9:36am Report Abuse

AJG wrote:

Evolution is a fact. Why do you treat it as if it were a belief? It is creationism which is a belief?

on Mar 28th, 2009 at 9:52am Report Abuse

RoyBoy2019 wrote:

AJG: Well evolution is both fact (natural selection) and theory (what mechanisms make that happen, and under what conditions). Creationists naturally focus on uncertain aspects to claim all evolution is opinion. Its also difficult for them to separate abiogenesis from evolution.

For many true believers its an entire package. They will not separate the "golden rule" and other good parts of their religious texts that feel absolutely correct, from the inaccurate parts.

Ultimately AJG, there are two kinds of people in the world. Those who feel first and see the world as a tragedy, and those think first and see it as a dark comedy. And that is simply a reflection of which hemisphere in their brain is dominant. Ironically, as both exist it is clear there is an evolutionary advantage to both kinds of thought process (world views).

on Mar 29th, 2009 at 9:02am Report Abuse

nosono wrote:

> The collection and eventual transcription of ancient Hebrew tales in the fifth
> century BC, their subsequent translation into Greek and then Latin and their final
> conversion into the stylized English of the early 1600s cannot, in any way, be
> equated with a rational or empirical account of how the universe, Earth and life
> itself came into existence.

Though this isn't perhaps the way you meant your closing comment, the collection and transmission of those tales follows exactly the same process as matter, energy, the Earth and the stuff of life forming and maintaining itself. There is nothing unnatural about the selection process by which human primates store and transmit information, cultural or otherwise. This batch considerably predates ancient Hebrew culture, by the way.

Put another way, these stories exist because they have long served a function for the people who maintain and pass them on. Their ability to serve that function is changing rapidly through no fault of their own - they're just stories. But that change in serviceability does create a selection pressure, and so they will adapt. And there is even a vague similarity to be seen in a cabinet minister being forced to buy new shoes for those hard Ottawa pavements.

As for whether a cabinet minister might want to have a halfway socially current perspective in order to collate expert opinions, consider how they represent the real world and the taxpaying constituents living there, and design policy from them - yes, they might.


on Mar 29th, 2009 at 3:38pm Report Abuse


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